Cardinal Levada Muffs Pope's Agreement with SSPX
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Wednesday, 27 June 2012 12:57
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#13
2012-08-13 14:21
Dear Mr Andrades. You are the only man whom I have ever heard claim that Vatican Two teaches Feeneyism.
It obviously doesn't but I can't stop you from claiming that it does.
Could you cite one Bishop in attendance at the Council who thought he was supporting the wrong ideas of Fr Feeney?
Note, I am not asking you to interpret from their silence about Fr Feeney's radical ideas that Vat Twi implicitly endorsed Fr Feeney's ideas. I am asking for a specific comment from a Bishop at the Council or a single quote supporting Feeneyism from Popes Paul VI, John Paul II or Pope Benedict XVI.
I reject your personal opinions about the Council putatively supporting Feeneyism.
It obviously doesn't but I can't stop you from claiming that it does.
Could you cite one Bishop in attendance at the Council who thought he was supporting the wrong ideas of Fr Feeney?
Note, I am not asking you to interpret from their silence about Fr Feeney's radical ideas that Vat Twi implicitly endorsed Fr Feeney's ideas. I am asking for a specific comment from a Bishop at the Council or a single quote supporting Feeneyism from Popes Paul VI, John Paul II or Pope Benedict XVI.
I reject your personal opinions about the Council putatively supporting Feeneyism.
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#12
2012-08-11 19:58
Not all Traditionalists and members of the SSPX are in aggreement with Fr Feeney.
It would be unfair to group them all into one camp or another
It would be unfair to group them all into one camp or another
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#11
2012-08-11 19:53
Please go to the source itself.
The SSPX will NEVER accept Vatican 2 and if it does then something really sinister happened or Bishop Fellay may have been drugged.
All that we have today as far as Tradition is because the SSPX held firm when Novus Ordo parishes were destroying their beautiful churches and altars and
replacing with ugly building structures and cheap table tops.
If you want the whole story in detail with all the references go to
www.mostholyfamilymonastary.com and learn
the sordid truth about Vatican 2 and Novus Ordo services
The SSPX will NEVER accept Vatican 2 and if it does then something really sinister happened or Bishop Fellay may have been drugged.
All that we have today as far as Tradition is because the SSPX held firm when Novus Ordo parishes were destroying their beautiful churches and altars and
replacing with ugly building structures and cheap table tops.
If you want the whole story in detail with all the references go to
www.mostholyfamilymonastary.com and learn
the sordid truth about Vatican 2 and Novus Ordo services
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#10
2012-07-22 23:15
An SSPX reconciliation with Rome will be a long, long, time in coming.
The irregularity is not that of the SSPX, its that of Rome. No amount of rationalization by Archbishop DiNoia, to the contrary, will change the fact that by adopting the precepts of Vatican II, the Church of Rome has simply ended up where Our Most Holy Mother predicted it would. It is suffering the "Great Apostasy" [right now] as was foretold by St.Paul and in numerous Marian Appearances. Not until the Pope and all the Bishops of the world, in concert, obey God's mandate to "Consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Our Blessed Mother will anything positive happen in Rome; neither spiritually nor geopolitically.
The irregularity is not that of the SSPX, its that of Rome. No amount of rationalization by Archbishop DiNoia, to the contrary, will change the fact that by adopting the precepts of Vatican II, the Church of Rome has simply ended up where Our Most Holy Mother predicted it would. It is suffering the "Great Apostasy" [right now] as was foretold by St.Paul and in numerous Marian Appearances. Not until the Pope and all the Bishops of the world, in concert, obey God's mandate to "Consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Our Blessed Mother will anything positive happen in Rome; neither spiritually nor geopolitically.
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#9
2012-07-10 17:33
To Mr. Lionel Andrades
Thank you for your reply. However I could not find any clear statement saing "
THE SSPX HAS SIGNED THE DOCTRINAL PREAMBLE ACCEPTING VATICAN COUNCIL II AS A CONTINUITY WITH TRADITION"
But I found this in the article "La Croix on SSPX general chapter" posted on July 9: "... and his troops, by refusing to yield to the new conditions posed by the latest version of the doctrinal preamble, put forward by the pope."
I am not attacking you about this issue, but I want to know where is the article which says SSPX(Superior Genral)has already signed the doctrinal preamble".
Thank you very much. And if you found that, please tell me again. I read this article very lightly, so it is possible that I missed your quotation.
Thank you for your reply. However I could not find any clear statement saing "
THE SSPX HAS SIGNED THE DOCTRINAL PREAMBLE ACCEPTING VATICAN COUNCIL II AS A CONTINUITY WITH TRADITION"
But I found this in the article "La Croix on SSPX general chapter" posted on July 9: "... and his troops, by refusing to yield to the new conditions posed by the latest version of the doctrinal preamble, put forward by the pope."
I am not attacking you about this issue, but I want to know where is the article which says SSPX(Superior Genral)has already signed the doctrinal preamble".
Thank you very much. And if you found that, please tell me again. I read this article very lightly, so it is possible that I missed your quotation.
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#8
2012-07-10 03:20
Hello, would you please show me where is the source of this statement.
THE SSPX HAS SIGNED THE DOCTRINAL PREAMBLE ACCEPTING VATICAN COUNCIL II AS A CONTINUITY WITH TRADITION
I am refering to reports on Rorate Caeli, Vatican Insider, La Stampa etc.
In the doctrinal preamble the SSPX accepted Vatican Council II interpreted according to Tradition;the whole of Tradition.
Even before the signing of the Preamble Bishop Bernard Fellay had been saying that Vatican Council II needs to be interpreted as a continuity with Tradtion and not a break.
THE SSPX HAS SIGNED THE DOCTRINAL PREAMBLE ACCEPTING VATICAN COUNCIL II AS A CONTINUITY WITH TRADITION
I am refering to reports on Rorate Caeli, Vatican Insider, La Stampa etc.
In the doctrinal preamble the SSPX accepted Vatican Council II interpreted according to Tradition;the whole of Tradition.
Even before the signing of the Preamble Bishop Bernard Fellay had been saying that Vatican Council II needs to be interpreted as a continuity with Tradtion and not a break.
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#7
2012-07-09 19:39
To Mr. Lionel Andrades
Hello, would you please show me where is the source of this statement(excep t the enclosed URL:eucharistan d....):
THE SSPX HAS SIGNED THE DOCTRINAL PREAMBLE ACCEPTING VATICAN COUNCIL II AS A CONTINUITY WITH TRADITION
Thank you very much.
Hello, would you please show me where is the source of this statement(excep t the enclosed URL:eucharistan d....):
THE SSPX HAS SIGNED THE DOCTRINAL PREAMBLE ACCEPTING VATICAN COUNCIL II AS A CONTINUITY WITH TRADITION
Thank you very much.
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#6
2012-07-09 09:17
I am not Spartacus
I am sorry, but I do not understand what is being claimed here.
Dear Mr Andrades. In plain and simple language can you write what you think the SSPX is accepting in Vatican Two and what it is objecting to in Vatican Two?
Lionel:
What is the SSPX accepting in Vatican Council II?
1. The SSPX accepts Ad Gentes 7 which says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation.
What is the SSPX objecting to?
2. The SSPX is really objecting to LG 8 and LG 16 being considered exceptions to AG 7 and to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The SSPX assume that LG 8 and LG 16 contradict the SSPX position on other religions and ecumenism.
I am not Spartacus
Are you claiming that Vatican Two essentially teaches Feenyism?
Lionel:
Yes. Vatican Council II is in agreement with the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. In this sense it is in agreement with Fr. Leonard Feeney.
If LG 8 ‘elements of sanctification’ and LG 16 (invincible ignorance and a good conscience) are considered implicit and known only to God, they do not contradict the literal interpretation of Fr. Leonard Feeney.
There is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney on outside the church there is no salvation.
For Archbishop Di Noia LG 8 contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. He mentioned this to Edward Pentin of the National Catholic Register when asked about extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
The SSPX has accepted Vatican Council II according to the doctrinal preamble-they must ask Di Noia and Muller to accept the Council with implicit, known only to God LG 8 and LG 16.
-Lionel Andrades
I am sorry, but I do not understand what is being claimed here.
Dear Mr Andrades. In plain and simple language can you write what you think the SSPX is accepting in Vatican Two and what it is objecting to in Vatican Two?
Lionel:
What is the SSPX accepting in Vatican Council II?
1. The SSPX accepts Ad Gentes 7 which says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation.
What is the SSPX objecting to?
2. The SSPX is really objecting to LG 8 and LG 16 being considered exceptions to AG 7 and to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The SSPX assume that LG 8 and LG 16 contradict the SSPX position on other religions and ecumenism.
I am not Spartacus
Are you claiming that Vatican Two essentially teaches Feenyism?
Lionel:
Yes. Vatican Council II is in agreement with the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. In this sense it is in agreement with Fr. Leonard Feeney.
If LG 8 ‘elements of sanctification’ and LG 16 (invincible ignorance and a good conscience) are considered implicit and known only to God, they do not contradict the literal interpretation of Fr. Leonard Feeney.
There is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney on outside the church there is no salvation.
For Archbishop Di Noia LG 8 contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. He mentioned this to Edward Pentin of the National Catholic Register when asked about extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
The SSPX has accepted Vatican Council II according to the doctrinal preamble-they must ask Di Noia and Muller to accept the Council with implicit, known only to God LG 8 and LG 16.
-Lionel Andrades
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#5
2012-07-09 08:57
Iam not Spartacus.
Perhaps this will help.
THE SSPX HAS SIGNED THE DOCTRINAL PREAMBLE ACCEPTING VATICAN COUNCIL II AS A CONTINUITY WITH TRADITION: THEY REJECT THE MULLER, SCHONBORN,KOCH INTERPRETATION WITH AN EXPLICIT LG 8 AND LG 16 Archbishop Augustine Di Noia does the Holy Spirit teach that LG 8 and LG 16 are known to us and not implicit?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/07/sspx-has-signed-doctrinal-preamble.html#links
WILL THE FALSE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST FR.LEONARD FEENEY BE NOW ALSO MADE AGAINST THE SSPX? http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/07/will-false-accusations-against.html#links
THE VATICAN CURIA IS IN A CRISIS WITH THEIR POLITICAL VERSION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II: SSPX SHOULD ASK THEM FOR REFERENCE TEXTShttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/07/vatican-curia-is-in-crisis-with-their.html#links
Perhaps this will help.
THE SSPX HAS SIGNED THE DOCTRINAL PREAMBLE ACCEPTING VATICAN COUNCIL II AS A CONTINUITY WITH TRADITION: THEY REJECT THE MULLER, SCHONBORN,KOCH INTERPRETATION WITH AN EXPLICIT LG 8 AND LG 16 Archbishop Augustine Di Noia does the Holy Spirit teach that LG 8 and LG 16 are known to us and not implicit?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/07/sspx-has-signed-doctrinal-preamble.html#links
WILL THE FALSE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST FR.LEONARD FEENEY BE NOW ALSO MADE AGAINST THE SSPX? http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/07/will-false-accusations-against.html#links
THE VATICAN CURIA IS IN A CRISIS WITH THEIR POLITICAL VERSION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II: SSPX SHOULD ASK THEM FOR REFERENCE TEXTShttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/07/vatican-curia-is-in-crisis-with-their.html#links
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#4
2012-07-03 18:19
I am sorry, but I do not understand what is being claimed here.
Dear Mr Andrades. In plain and simple language can you write what you think the SSPX is accepting in Vatican Two and what it is objecting to in Vatican Two?
Are you claiming that Vatican Two essentially teaches Feenyism?
Dear Mr Andrades. In plain and simple language can you write what you think the SSPX is accepting in Vatican Two and what it is objecting to in Vatican Two?
Are you claiming that Vatican Two essentially teaches Feenyism?
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